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So a while ago, I wrote a rather damming post on an ‘ad’ GREY had put out to promote their “EYE ON ASIA” research report.
In the post, I explained what they were saying was a delightful blend of condescending colonial arrogance, regional cliché and universal-state-the-obvious blandom … which pissed off a certain Pius Thicknesse so much, he/she felt compelled to slag me off but interestingly, not for the flaws I raised in the claimed research findings, but for daring to suggest the ‘ad’ was written by a Westerner.
Excellent.
Anyway, as I said in the post – crap ad aside – GREY has a long heritage in doing good Asian regional research, so I assumed this was simply the result of a bad copywriter or a bad brief rather than the a momentary lapse of intelligence by the people who undertook the study, but it would appear I was being too generous in my excuses because I’ve just received this:
I know it looks almost identical to the last ‘ad’ of theirs I slagged off, but it is different – except it’s almost exactly the same as well.
What do I mean?
Well whilst this ‘ad’ supposedly highlights GREY’s research findings regarding the ‘grey dollar’ … the fact is the majority of the copy doesn’t really talk about any of this, preferring to rehash the flawed and grammatically prejudiced content of the previous advertisement.
The thing is, the topic of the ‘grey dollar’ is a very important one … one that tends to get overlooked by agencies and marketers because it’s not a ‘cool’ demographic … so why they decided to come out with some general questions that could apply to anybody is beyond me.
Oh hang on, I know now … because the opening lines of their ‘ad’ explain this isn’t about targeting an age demographic – it’s about targeting a mindset – but that’s hardly ‘new news’ is it? Fuck me, that approach has been around for donkeys years which then opens up another issue, why have a headline that immediately implies you have information about a particular age group?
This is mental.
So regardless of whether GREY are trying to say they have insights on grey haired folk or people who simply wish to live their life in a positive manner, let’s look at some of the questions they highlight.
• Why Asians are fickle consumers
• Why Asians are smart shoppers
• Why Asians delight in brands that constantly engage them in new ways
• Why Asians expect their brands to embrace change
OK … OK … so we’re not really sure who GREY are talking about in this ad/study [not the best thing for a company who claims to be experts in clear and concise communication] but regardless of that, are these questions even unique to the ‘Asian’ population?
Of course not, it’s generic commentary trumped up to sound like mindblowing research that uncovers major and unique factors about the Asian population … major and unique factors than can help marketers engage and grow within this region. And the irony is, there are absolutely fundamental differences in this regions attitudes and behaviour – and even more so when dealing with the older generation – but given the ads, research and ‘findings’ all seem to be flawed, confused and/or generalistic, I doubt GREY’s insights will either uncover them or explain what you can do with them once you’ve got them.
This sort of thing really, really pisses me off … especially the “ASIANS” label, which implies the population of this region are somewhat alien compared to the nice white folk back home in the West … though given they tar 16 totally different countries – including NZ and Australia – as Asian [ie: all the same], then it goes to show GREY’s EYE ON ASIA is in need of some new prescription glasses.
Come on Pius Thicknesse, give me your worst – though I’d rather have a civil conversation with you on it, if you have the balls.
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even if the research was good (which it fucking wont be but im showing my new caring side to get in practice with dealing with canadian cowboy builders) the copy is fucking shite.
then by planning protocol, isnt it a good thing grey have been consistent with their brand even if in the real world they look like a bunch of ignorant racist fucking wankers and cocks?
just wondering.
on the bright side, it shows your blog has zero fucking influence over anyone or anybody or pius is a tough little fucker who is itching for a scrap. thats a win win in my book.
people who buy this who bought the other shite are just going to receive exactly the same thing arent they?maybe a headline change here and there but nothing major and nothing actually related to what the fucking headline claims, youll have to work that out yourself with ambiguous data.
its like a ‘choose your own adventure’ book just with research and no story. good for the cash flow but fucking crap for greys rep but when thats already the same depths as gary glitter (anyone know if he was one of greys researchers for vietnam) i guess they dont give a fuck and are just going for a cash dash to keep uncle sorrell happy.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 6:28 amChoose Your Own Adventure?
With some of the stuff they’re saying in the ad, it would be more a case of Choose Your Own Misadventure wouldn’t it?!
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:49 amIf the ad can’t explain what the research is about, what hope is there the research can explain what it’s about?
Comment by Pete May 13, 2010 @ 6:40 amA bit like when planners stand up and tell people/companies what they should do but never do it – and have never done it – themselves. Except in the main, they at least are [1] consistent to the topic and [2] clear about what they say should be done.
Sorry, I’ve tangented my own post there …
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:52 amWhy does the expression “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” come to mind?
Grey has many skills, especially in managing multinationals across multiple markets where they are second to none, but this eye on Asia campaign feels very much like an attempt to gain wider brand relevance when I would guess they already deal or have dealt with the majority of the companies who are likely to be appealed/fooled by this.
Yes Andy/Robert, I’m being controvertial just for you.
Comment by George May 13, 2010 @ 6:54 amThanks for proving I take 5000 words to say what you can do in a few lines. Thanks a lot for that George … but as you’ve suddenly developed a ‘mean streak’, I am willing to let it pass. This once.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:50 amI’m still tryng to get my head round the concept of a changing trend.
Comment by John May 13, 2010 @ 6:55 amtheres no fucking place for clever on here dodds.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 7:00 amThen I’ll fit in perfectly.
Comment by John May 13, 2010 @ 7:21 amYou do realise you inadvertently complimented Dodds there Andy? Can you not do that again please. Thank you.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:47 amdid you clear that with mary before you broke the habit of a fucking lifetime?
whatever, it fucking suits you. pity its taken 7 years and has no purpose or value in happy mountainviewland. bit like this ad. and grey. excluding the companies who need a global production/execution company for their neverchangeafuckingwordorpicture brand bollocks.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 6:59 amShe’s out.
Comment by George May 13, 2010 @ 7:01 ami wont tell. well i wont if you pay me 10k a week.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 7:03 amCut me in on that sweet deal too … let’s face it, paying us is less painful than upsetting Mary, ha.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:48 amI’m just grateful for this new finding that the ageing population is growing. And there was me, thinking the aging population was static, being gradually usurped by their ageless peers via natural selection
Comment by Simon Kendrick May 13, 2010 @ 7:48 amI thought people were killed off when they hit 57 so this truly is a revelation.
It also highlights I was an idiot to have a mild-life-crisis because rather than being killed off at 57 and wanting to pack in as much as possible, I might be around for bloody ages and could take things at a much more leisurely – and less expensive – pace.
Eitherway, I hope you will be including these insights in your future reports Simon.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 7:54 amif it helps campbell, ill kill you at 57.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 8:40 amHe’s not yet 57? God, harsh lighting on some of the pictures I’ve seen of him
(jokes)
Comment by Simon Kendrick May 13, 2010 @ 8:44 ami like you simon. well compared to campbell.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 9:11 amI am here you know … I’m not dead … I can read what you’re saying.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 3:09 pmIs Grey worse than McCann? We might DO some pretty stupid shit, but we never assume that consumers/clients are this dumb.
Comment by Age May 13, 2010 @ 2:32 pmI agree with you Age, but sadly your CEO seems to think his employees are that dumb:
http://tinyurl.com/2u4osm2
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 3:24 pmI FEEL SO INSPIRED!!
Comment by Age May 13, 2010 @ 3:34 pmBless our shareholders! You make those late nights worth it…
Makes making clothes for Primark in India look like a step up doesn’t it.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 3:58 pmThankfully I do not work for a massive agency network anymore.TBWA should be thankful for Grey, they make them look like Crispin Porter.
Less fortunate is the fact that my paymaster is actually Ben ‘David Crutton’ Langdon.
While I’m here, can people stop complimenting Dodds.
Anyway, I don’t care, I just swam 1,500 metres in 18 minutes. I have the body of a 15 year old.
Comment by northern May 13, 2010 @ 4:53 pmJust like TBWA look like Crispin compared to GREY … you look like W+K compared to Dodds … so don’t be jealous of the compliments, we only give them to him to boost his confidence and let’s face it, for the amount of comments he writes, he doesn’t really say much that makes us want to make him feel better.
As for the bod of a 15 year old – does that mean it’s covered in spots and injection marks or do you mean it’s more to Gary Glitters liking.
One moment you talk about your ability to fit into ancient t-shirts, now you talk about your swimming skill. You’re Peter Pan aren’t you …
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 5:21 pmSo you’re suggesting that I’m as bad as TBWA but Dodds makes me look OK? And excellent name dropping of your new employers.
Comment by northern May 13, 2010 @ 5:37 pmAnd I have the body of a 15 year old from the neck down, apart from the chest hair.
I really insulted you there didn’t I. Infact twice.
1/ Comparing you to TBWA
2/ Saying you were better than Dodds [who isn’t?]
Sorry that really wasn’t the intention, it’s a bad day of a bad week of a bad month and to say I’m rather distracted at the moment is a rather an understatement.
I assume you’re 15 year old body is of a boy. I hope so, for Mrs Northern’s sake. And little Will. [Is he OK now?]
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 5:44 pmFirmly male. And Will’s fine thanks.
And I have a thick skin, I’m a planner.
Comment by northern May 13, 2010 @ 6:07 pmAND i used to work on Morrisons, which involved being a called a twat by the marketing direcor daily.
He/she called YOU a twat when they were in the marketing job at Morrisons? Talk about projection.
Comment by Rob May 13, 2010 @ 6:20 pmFunnily enough, met him at the IPA’s last year and managed to spill my drink on him.
Comment by northern May 13, 2010 @ 11:34 pmThis was not the only accidentally on purpose mishap to occur
Ah yes “Asians”, that uniform social group that has no differentiating factors whatsoever.
Comment by Rob Mortimer May 13, 2010 @ 7:04 pmwhere the fuck is pius? come on, waiting for you to stick your fist in campbells face but this time make sure you use an argument that hurts him not you.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 10:26 pmis this for real?
Comment by peggy May 13, 2010 @ 10:34 pmthe blog? this post? twatty grey?
doesnt fucking matter, the answer to all 3 is a big fat yes.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 11:23 pmthe ad. i must be stuck in the groundhog day movie or something lol
Comment by peggy May 13, 2010 @ 11:34 pmyou should try 7 years listening to the same fucking conversation between campbell and auntie. bill murray had it fucking easy.
Comment by andy@cynic May 13, 2010 @ 11:50 pmwhat was it about? actually, do i really want to know? lol
Comment by peggy May 14, 2010 @ 12:19 amjust a snap shot into my life with 2 fucking planners in it. i know its not that fucking different to anyone else who have fucking planners ruining their lives either.
Comment by andy@cynic May 14, 2010 @ 6:17 amYou couldn’t have made it up. Unless you were Grey.
Comment by northern May 13, 2010 @ 11:35 pmLike these later posts, it’s like the aftershow party (and usually Dodds free)
wheres doddsy?
oh, and well done on spilling the drink on that guy. hope it was red wine on some cherished designer garment haha
Comment by peggy May 14, 2010 @ 12:30 am