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I’m shooting off on a period of mad travel tomorrow, but before I go I’m speaking at the MTV ‘Youth Forum’ with the lovely Emily from OIA.
I haven’t seen her for bloody years so I’m really looking forward to catching up because apart from being one of the most positive, clever and collaborative people I know – she’s also one of those genuinely nice guys who really wants to help make the World a better place, not just make HER World a better place.
Anyway the reason for this post is that as part of the pre-conference organisation, we were asked …
WHAT TREND DO YOU THINK IS DEVELOPING INTERMS OF YOUTH MARKETING / MARKETING IN GENERAL?
… and whilst I’ve already given my response, I was wondering if any of you lot would like to put in your two-pennies-worth so I can bring it up for discussion at the conference.
Don’t worry, it doesn’t have to be some intellectual colossus [hell my response was “The re-emergence of creativity in communication as people-power starts to dictate [and influence] the standards that they will accept and react to” so we’re talking in very basic terms, ha!] but if you believe there’s a marketing trend developing [as opposed to one that’s already taken hold] then bung it over and I’ll see what a bunch of marketing folk [covering the whole spectrum of business – from gaming to airlines] think about it.
And for anyone who is nervous about putting their thoughts in the public domain – all I will say is that you have nothing to worry about because when dealing with the future, no one can say you’re wrong because it’s not happened yet. [Can you tell that’s an argument I’ve used in the past, haha!]
PS: No George, I’m not doing this because I haven’t prepared for the preso, it’s because variety of opinion will make the event more interesting, so there. 🙂 ]
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What about the stock market starting to favour companies who use their brand to drive political, economic and social reforms as part of their longer term focus and profit goals.
Comment by Pete September 24, 2007 @ 8:56 amGoing back to what a company like Ford used to be (loved and profitable) rather than what it is today. (vanilla and broke)
You can’t slag me off till the future is the past and I cunningly didn’t put a date for when this would all happen so I’m in the clear 🙂
I’ve found it interesting how the youth are incredibly open to sharing very personal things about themselves to the completely open online community. Blogs, myspace, Facebook… all of these sorts of things. A lot of the time some of the things you learn about people can be deeply personal. I’m not sure where it’s going to go in the future, but it’s def interesting to see so many younger people opening up about EVERYTHING. Will the future be much more transparent?
And what impact is this having on potential employers (or obsessed ex/potential lovers) stumbling across your personal online “space” which gives them direct insight into who you REALLY are…
Ok, I’m going back now. Where? Pfft, back to the future of course!!
Comment by Age September 24, 2007 @ 10:51 amThere will be a complete negation of anything commercially brand related. The only thing of interest will be themselves – as groups, communities and/or as individuals. This will lead to millions of tiny local brands which radiate outward from what we today call consumers. The financial gain from these brands will be minimal – kudos will be the currency of the future.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 2:00 pmI agree with Marcus to a certain degree but I still think certain regions (America and Asian markets) will be dominated by brands offering consumers the “champagne socialism” experience you’ve written about previously.
Comment by George September 24, 2007 @ 2:27 pmFrom our research, caring about the World is still more spoken about, than acted on; though the intention is there, but so is the materialistic / sense of belonging need.
There’s a big hunger (among the youth in China, India and Singapore) to “go out there” and live a different life in another country. There’s a palpable hunger for rich (even challenging) experiences. The demand for overseas study opportunities and internships among my students is HUGE. I’m not sure how this directly links to brands and communication, but it’s definitely a trend. I didn’t see the same type of curiosity/hunger among my former U.S. students.
Comment by Mark September 24, 2007 @ 2:31 pmPeople who have grown up with the internet and the digital age look like they are starting to crave the physical object again. Growing up with all things digital is making the tactile more important to a large range of kids, even if that tactile is simply the casing for the digital.
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 3:11 pmThat’s interesting Mr M because one of my points is that we now have a generation who probably have rarely received mail in any other form than the electronic variety which is why if a company wants to achieve greater cut-through with the youth segment, they may be better off sending a letter through the post than the traditional ‘yoof marketing’ channels.
Of course it’s effectiveness will be dependent on the usual ‘what they say’ and ‘who they say it too’ but interms of impact – at least initially – it could standout more than billion emails in most people’s ‘inboxes’.
Just a thought …
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 3:46 pmMy answer’s pretty simple (and I like Rob M’s thinking a lot), but I think the trend is, now more than ever, one of entertainment.
Real life, branded entertainment (and to a lesser extent, ATL ads which seek to entertain – Cadbury’s Gorilla etc) will increasingly have the greatest weight in the yoof market.
Comment by Will September 24, 2007 @ 5:25 pmYou know what Will, I think communication has always had an inherent element of needing to be entertaining – but that alone does not translate to sales.
Don’t get me wrong, being boringly rational ain’t going to cut it either – it’s got to be engaging and interesting and entertaining – but our job is to motivate ACTION, not just awareness which is why ads like the Cadbury Gorilla interest me, but would never be the sort of thing I’d be happy to sell to a client.
I had a very heated debate with Marcus about this a while back on Gareth’s site … and while I am fine that certain channels utilise messaging in different ways, when it comes to ATL, there is a specific reason for its existence and that is not to do anything other than help fulfill a clients short and longer term business requirements.
Fuck I am sounding adult and boring here aren’t I!
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 5:33 pmDenim.
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 5:35 pmI think Will is quite right, though I think that has always been the case, just that its growing in importance now.
Speaking about MTV, I wonder how many kids there are who have only ever seen songs on tv or played them on Mp3? Maybe they should be the target for physical media, those to whom it is actually something new.
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 5:35 pmAction is vital, but often for kids and teenagers, just thinking something is fun or entertaining is enough to make them take action.
Look at the universally panned trident ads. Kids thought it was cool and bought it in droves.
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 5:37 pmdon’t drag me into this Campbell.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 5:38 pmGreat point John …
And the other scary thing is that if you look at the trends of ‘Christmas toys’ of the last 15 years, they are simply evolutions of past ‘icons’ than anything dramatically new. History DOES have a habit of repeating itself it seems.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 5:38 pmIf I’m going down, you’re coming with me Mr Brown, ha!
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 5:42 pmA mash-up, if you will, of UGC and sociality will require companies
1) to be far more reactive to the needs of customers and inclusive of their opinions in everything they do – not just product design,
2) foster real-world interaction and friendship in a time of offline disconnectedness,
3) counter the increasing neuroses of youth and make them feel and be healthier in every sense of the word, healthier physically, mentally and emotionally – genunely so, not in some bullshit new age way.
Some of this ties with Marcus’s observation but kudos doesn’t pay the rent. Kudos will be prevalent and because of that financial success will accrue.
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 5:42 pmI agree there John, I think that number 2 is a key part of what I was talking about before.
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 5:50 pmPersonally I think the greatest emerging trend is LOVEMARKS and that Kevin Roberts is a futurist genius. Ahem.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 5:50 pmKudos doesn’t pay the rent TODAY.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 5:51 pmMaurice Saatchi will set up bookstore where classics are reduced to one word
Comment by NP September 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pmIsn’t Kudos the currency of Greece?
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 6:01 pmAh yes, Mr Roberts again…
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 6:04 pmThis thread looked like it was going to be useful – and stay on track.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 6:04 pmReading the Times this weekend (Sunday not Straits) I saw one of those silly what’s up what’s down lists that suggested that as a backlasj against the myriad niche designer jeans brands of recent years, there was trend back to 501s – sadly they preface it with the term vintage but I thought that was interesting.
The night before while out drinking on saturday night (I believe you guys call this qualitative research) the most stylish dresser I’d seen seemingly wore nothing that could be identified as branded and wa all the better for it. Sadly – her look was for me slightly diminished by the word Bench across the right cheek of her denim shorts – (white print, helvetica font, 28 point about two thirds of the way up – not that I was staring of course).
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 6:06 pmThings will get ugly as young people realise the older generation has made itself very confortable while ensuring they can never afford a house, or not work in old age.
Comment by NP September 24, 2007 @ 6:08 pmSorry Marcus – you’re right, I almost fucked this up didn’t I!
John, the 501 re-emergence is simply a byproduct of ‘authenticity’ being the new status symbol, especially in a category where people are paying outrageous sums for what is fundamentally one of the most durable and cheap fabrics in the clothing category.
501’s went out of fashion because Dad’s wore them … 501’s will come back into fashion because now they’re not.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 6:11 pmI’m sure that’s true Rob but 501s are also cheaper and authenticity and cheapness have not alway gone hand in hand in my eyes. That’s what I thought wa sinteresting though as i said the vintage tag maybe works againts that. Or am I wrong on that?
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 6:18 pmGood point John …
I also think the trend of living a life, not a lifestyle will start to emerge to a greater degree. I’m not saying it will be mass, mass market – but for every one trend, there’s a counter point of view and yet most people in marketing either [1] forget that or [2] are too scared to do it.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 6:20 pmindividuals (children/young adults) will directly experience global peer pressure.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 6:24 pmThey already are Marcus – especially in Asia where there is a real desire to feel ‘part of the World’ because previously their World was limited to their countries boundaries and they were made to feel 2nd/3rd class citizens for it.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 6:26 pm501s have gone in and out of fashion more times than any other clothing item it seems. A fascinating comparison is that of the Levis brand here compared to the US, apparently over there they are quite downmarket.
Perhaps the age and establishment of 501s gives them a tag of authenticity that overcomes the brand and prices issues (in both directions).
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 6:35 pmMaybe a future trend would be that history (in terms of brand communications etc) will actually stop repeating itself.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 6:39 pmYou know what Marcus, I don’t think that will happen unless technology advancement forces it and even then it will only happen if the results can be quantified. Industry invests in communication it can evaluate – anything else either plays a bit part or dies soon after.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 6:45 pmIn the majority of the US jeans are much more utilitarian because they still have cowboys and ranch hands etc and yes if you pay more than $30 for 501s you’ve been had. In urban centres it’s slightly different but the US is much more than urban centres.
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 6:48 pmBut what if the generation we’re talking about, say my youngest daughter (she’s 7), completely (without knowing it) negate the rules the industry has defined for “success”?
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 6:53 pm“The re-emergence of creativity in communication as people-power starts to dictate [and influence] the standards that they will accept and react to”
I suppose what I’m getting at is the flip side of what you’re saying here Rob. That “people-power” will actually become more creative/interesting/fun/magnetic and magically and thus drown out the “smaller” noise of corporate communications – regardless of how creative it may be.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 7:00 pmThen the industry will either re-write their ‘rules’ to be relevant to her or she’ll potentially be part of a counter culture / trend.
Maybe 🙂
I bet people had a similar discussion decades ago … and sadly, I bet if you look at the fundamentals by which we live by today, it’ll be quite similar to the past – except technology has allowed us to have a broader view. But I could be talking bollocks, I’m exhausted.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 7:01 pm[[[This comment is intended to be slightly inflammatory, so please treat it as debate starting rather than my concrete opinion:]]]
Marcus, is that not just an extravagent way of defining the growth of UGC?
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 7:04 pm[this comment is whatever]
maybe.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 7:05 pmI honestly believe UGC is one of the biggest misconceptions in adland today. Loads of people might be watching it, but loads of people aren’t creating it. I appreciate that may change as technology develops, but I still feel it will be in the minority – even if compared to past generations, it’s growing massively.
http://robcampbell.wordpress.com/2007/06/27/blinkered-about-content/
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 7:07 pmI’ll stick to printing then.
Comment by Marcus September 24, 2007 @ 7:11 pmCome on Marcus, don’t be like that – especially as you are the ‘inventor’ of iPOD singing, something I feel a need to re-start for reasons I am still trying to get a grip on.
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 7:14 pmUGC is a valuable and useful part of marketing that has been so ridiculously blown out of its small niche into this cover all – huge idea that is clearly going to fail on the most part.
I even hate the term UGC.
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 7:23 pm[this comment is late]
The point about UGC is not that it’s pre-eminent or ever will be – it’s mainly rubbish or entirely for small scale personal consumption. The point is that now people are in a position to “publish” with great ease and the eliteness of “creative” industries is now less obvious. The landscape is different now. It’s an extension of the whole conversation meme – people can kick back much more more easily.
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 7:39 pmWhich is the reason for my ’emerging trend’ John …
Comment by Rob September 24, 2007 @ 7:43 pmTrebles all round then.
Comment by John September 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pmIs that a drinking or darting analogy John?
Comment by Rob Mortimer September 24, 2007 @ 8:57 pmOrganic cocaine!
Comment by Rachel September 30, 2007 @ 8:04 pmOk, maybe that was a bit silly. But I did meet a trendy teen at the Exit festival in Serbia this summer who turned down my offer of orange juice at 7am because she only drank organic (seriously)! The irony was that she was looking very pale – hence my offer of orange juice – and clearly under the influence of a cocktail of narcotics.
Comment by Rachel September 30, 2007 @ 8:14 pmOn a more serious note, what about Intelligent Clothing?
There second album was disappointing.
Comment by John October 1, 2007 @ 1:25 amTheir second album.
Comment by John October 1, 2007 @ 1:26 amHey John, are Intelligent Clothing a band? Or I am just being extremely stupid here? I was referring to electronic chips embedded in clothing but I think I’m 2 weeks too late with this comment so will save it for another day.
Comment by Rachel October 3, 2007 @ 4:31 am