The Musings Of An Opinionated Sod [Help Me Grow!]


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August 19, 2010, 10:11 am
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Ok, you did this on purpose just to wind me up didn’t you?

Comment by Marcus

Page 37 of this document is, without doubt, hugely damaging to you planning lot and I’d be very interested to hear what clients actually think about it. Lee? It wouldn’t surprise me if clients all over the world have printed that page out and taped it up onto their walls.

I also find it frightening that large chunks of the “plannersphere” got all excited by the report yesterday but didn’t spot or comment on page 37. I think they were just interested in the salaries and if their fucking name was in the “Awesome Planners” list.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the people who put this together have done an excellent job. The people who answered the questions for page 37 need a good spanking.

Comment by Marcus

I did and I didn’t … but you know how much that finding upset me and if you can’t remember, click here http://bit.ly/cT2uyO

Comment by Rob

Don’t they just.
Everyone gets frustrated by clients at some time, but to say it’s the worst thing about the job is just mad.

Comment by Rob Mortimer

If planners only wish to deal with people who offer agreement and applause, it would appear very few will ever start, let alone own, their own company.

Comment by Lee Hill

Let’s be honest here. I hate elitism and can’t abide the shoddy naivety and snobbery in most agencies.
But since I escaped Disruption, Media Arts and 24 hour fucking shifts, clients are the worst part of my job.
Next to people I work with (including creatives who are not twats infected with hubris), struggling with the puzzle, going out and meeting Joe public, not being paid a pittance etc, clients are the worst part of my job purely because they are not the best. Only twattish media agencies nearly beat them at the finishing line, in fact come to think of it, clients are not the worst, media agencies are. Client’s are just trying to do their job, media agencies have an agenda.
The people I like to work with don’t get into this business to have a relationship with clients, they care about the work and the people they work with.
That doesn’t excuse people who hate or disrespect clients, but I don’t think a shooting offence to suggest they’re not one your favourite things.

Comment by northern

And rob Campbell, you are ridicously kind. You know what I’m talking about.

Comment by northern

No I’m not – if I was I’d do it for the hell of it but I’m not, I’m doing it because I want to support an act of wonderful selflessness.

Comment by Rob

NP has it right. It’s meeja agencies.

Don’t agree on the client point – I’m with Marcus on that one. The client/agency relationship is about being professional, asking (and answering) the difficult questions. Not being some frustrated, mealy mouthed agency who doesn’t ever speak out.

Comment by Will

Don’t get me wrong, I agree 100% with that observation. It should be two way, you should be able to ask hard questions and also deal with them.
I also hate that veneer of professionalism. I don’t wear suits because I’m not a client,I’m different to them. I take my job very seriously but that doesn’t mean I should pretend to be like them. By the way planners, you’re not creatives either. You need good relationships, you should care about the work, but as soon you try and become nothing more than an ally to get work through you lose the very thing you’re hired for. Which should be providing objectivity and the point of the view of the people that really matter – the audience.
Anyway, back to that point, having a good working relationship etc with clients doesn’t mean you have to like that bit best. You should bloody well care that your client’s busines does well, you should feel responsible for the hundreds, maybe thousands people who work there, whose livelehoods the success of your work may effect. You should love the product, service and learn to admire it.
I really appreciate accounts and HR, I couldn’t get by without them, but they’re not my favourite thing either.
I don’t live to see stuff I’m involved in win at Cannes, I don’t really care about APG awards or IPAs (though I’m glad to have a couple) I care about stuff that REALLY works.
Most of the time, clients with an average tenure of 2 years don’t care about that as much as ‘making their mark’.

Comment by northern

The worst thing you can do for a client is behave like a client. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take their issues seriously, but the reality is you are hired because of your differences and if you end up being/acting/thinking just like them, then there’s no point being there.

Lee said this much better a while ago, but he’s more intelligent hence my rambling mess.

Comment by Rob

This is the better one: http://bit.ly/9lF9Sh

… though he sums it up quite nicely with this too:

“… the point of hiring any external agency is to seek their expertise, not to make them your slaves. Debate is healthy, dictatorship is not”.

Comment by Rob

Quite right.
Anyway, here’s something far more important. It’s A level day. That means lots of meeja shots of young girls bouncing around all nubile and that…http://sexyalevels.tumblr.com/

Comment by northern

Gary Glitter sends his love. As does John Dodds.

Comment by Rob

i dont know what the fuck happened to northern groper but id vote for him for pm these days.

Comment by andy@cynic

And I thought the previous post was self-indulgent nonsense…..

Comment by John

hes never satisfied, he always wants to scrape new depths.

Comment by andy@cynic

That explains why he’s continually being forced to relocate.

Comment by John

you took your fucking time to work that out.

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