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Hell On Earth …
April 25, 2007, 8:47 am
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This photo is of a marketing department in Asia. 

Inspiring isn’t it.  You can just tell the employee’s imagination will be running wild sitting there everyday, can’t you!

Jesus … talk about depressing – even the ceiling seems low!

Russell wrote about the issue of ‘office space’ a while back … and even I had the odd rant about it [surprise, surprise] … but I still think this issue is in need of debate because in these days of corporate penny-pinching, it amazes me that companies expect high morale and output when they basically treat and locate their staff in surroundings best descibed as ‘battery chicken homes’.

Of course I understand rent is a massive cost for business, so I appreciate their need to maximise their ‘space’ … but to cram hundreds of people in an area of souless blandom seems to be rather shortsighted – especially when those people are tasked with finding ways to capture the imagination of the public.

Please know I am not saying organisations should only look after their marketing departments and screw everyone else … nor am I advocating they give everyone acres of personal space including their own fridge, sofa and swimming pool [though cynic does have a bedroom in their NY office – a place where people can literally pop in and have a ‘snooze’] and I’m certainly not suggesting companies spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on mad stuff like building a slide that runs all the way through the office [like Leo Burnett Sydney did – which was always about generating agency PR than being beneficial to their staff] … however I do believe a company has a moral duty to create a physical environment that is enjoyable, productive and inspiring for all its employees … not just because it creates a happier, more productive atmosphere [which leads to better and higher levels of ‘output’] but because a company already pushes staff to spend way more time working than they should/get paid for  – so the least they can do is try and make the place as comfortable and enjoyable as possible. [And I won’t buy the argument that a crappy environment means they are encouraging their staff to go home and ‘have a life’]

And as bad as alot of Asian companies can be … the US has moments of absolute mentalness!

The place is so fucking politically correct and union governed, that you can’t even move your pen without getting written authorisation. 

But hey … that’s more about business practice than business physical environments, so I’ll leave that rant for another day. 

Anyway, because I am an inquisitive bugger, I would love to know what you think would make life in your current environment better [and no, on-tap drugs/booze/prostitutes do not count] so if you can be bothered – I can appreciate you probably can’t – drop me a line by clicking here.

Oh, and talking of hell … here’s Jill’s version of it – fixing a hole in my jeans like the good lil’ lady she is.

[I am soooo dead for saying that! Sorry hon!]

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To be fair a lot of marketing responsibility is heavy administrative work like distribution, sales administration, merchandise, pricing and so on but the difficulty is when you let people who work in environments like that take a look at creative ideas, they invariably go with the safest option.

Comment by Charles Frith

Charles are you saying that administrative work and the people that do it could get by in a cellar? If you are you are about to feel the full force of a Marcus Brown rant.


Comment by Marcus Brown

I appreciate there is a lot of heavy administrative work involved in marketing – but the end goal is still to find ways to motivate consumers to choose your brand/product over another.

If you are in the most staid, uninspiring, grey area possible – I don’t think you stand much chance of ever uncovering magic.

Hell, if their office was decked out like a retail outlet I’d say it was better than the example shown above. At least then they could remember what ‘shopping experience reality’ is really like for consumers – then try to identify fresh ways to get their message across.

It’s a fine line between work and wank – but too many organisations fall into one camp or the other.

What I loved when NAKED re-did their office was that the reception was made to look like the front room of one of the partners Grannies.

Sure they did it because [1] it helped them get publicity [2] it was right for the NAKED ‘brand’ [3] it was diametrically opposed to the clean, chic receptions of typical agencies … but it also proved a valuable reminder to everyone who worked/walked in the place, that in the ‘REAL WORLD’ life is not that exciting and you have to be fresh, interesting and relevant to stand out.

Comment by Rob

I don’t think Charles is saying that – I hope not anyway. For his sake, ha!

Marcus – why are you up already???

Comment by Rob

Well, I’m at work aren’t I? I work for a fucking printing company and for some reason the printing industry starts work in the middle of the fucking night.

I’m grumpy as shit this morning because Eva is in London for the week and I miss her. I just hope Charles WAS saying that becuase I could do with a good RANT.

Comment by Marcus

If it’s a rant you want … I’ll help you. Wait for my next post.

Comment by Rob

All you idiots don’t get it, we’re not here for the good of your health, just the good of our profits, so if we decide to put you in a grey walled room or even a dark, damp cellar, then you should be grateful – afterall you’re getting paid aren’t you? Selfish fools.

Comment by Mr Penny Pinching

hands off him. HE’S MINE!

Comment by Marcus

Ah, Mr Penny Pincher. Welcome, we’re so glad you managed to drag your procurement driven arse away from your calculator to come and have a chat.

Yes I suppose we are all a little bit selfish aren’t we? I mean, most of the working population spend more time at work than they do at home so I suppose it would be strategically clever to make the home more attractive than work. Heavens, you wouldn’t want your staff to be comfortable would you? And you wouldn’t want to fuck up your excellent deal with Corporate Express or any of your other outsourcing suppliers.

Yes, beige, grey and magnolia are the colours of profit and shareholder value and the cubicle is the pinnacle of factory-farming-office-management. No! You don’t want FREE RANGE STAFF! Just imagine the cost of it all.

But you tweedy little fuck where will you and all of your benchmarking, your process charts, your shareholder value and your savings forecasts be when all of your staff either die of boredom, back pain or simply walk out and go and do something more interesting instead.

I’ll tell where you’ll be shithead. You’ll be the last one out and turning off the lights.

[I feel so much better now. Thank you.]

Comment by Marcus

Glad I could help you out there Marcus and I am glad you feel ‘totally spent’ [urgh] because you will now have a nicer day, Charles will get to live another day and I get to try and sell ‘colour’ to the fashion industry by informing them that beige, grey and magnolia are the colours of profit and shareholder value and no one wants to be associated with that.

A well worthwhile exercise.

Comment by Rob

I’m having a little rest now.

Comment by Marcus

OK I’m up for this one. My point was and still is that a lot of marketing isn’t about creativity. Most marketing is about product decisions, distribution and spreadsheets, you know the other 3 P’s. It’s obvious whoever came up with that, never figured out that the 5th P is PEOPLE. Now if you want to make the point that the people in distribution should have a creative and stimulating environment, you are dead fucking wrong. I’ll go even further. I’ve done B2B focus groups and some attempts by companies to give the people like those in distribution a more ‘creative’ work environment are perceived as WASTING money that could go into the employee’s pockets – it never does but you can see the rationale. Often, people who work in government or civil service LIKE to have austere surroundings, so they can claim to be saints or something while later living off their FAT civil service pensions (Krung Thai Bank and NHS peeps – You know who you are).

My problem is that the people who then come into meetings about creative and inspirational development are either doing distro fucking bution for the most part of the week and shouldn’t come anywhere near a labour of creative love because to love lots of things is actually a greater sacrifice than to love very little. It’s like mixing oil and water and it doesn’t get good results. Great marketing directors have left and right brains. They get the spreadsheets and they get big ideas like hate something change something. But the assumption that most people would like to be in the same environment as that which makes me happy (planning on tropical beaches is my forte) isn’t true. Some people actually LIKE the sense of order, hierarchy and cubicle personalisation that goes with the average office. God knows why, cubicles scare the living shit out of me, but let’s not be so presumptuous to think that what we like is the same as what everyone else likes.

Comment by Charles Frith

Oh go on bugger it I want a Marcus rant. I’m saying that print people work best in 24/7 fluorescent lighting to keep the skin pallid and lifeless, with noisy Heidelbergs in the background, pens in their shirt pockets, and yes, In the cellar along with finance department.

(Remember that people in finance at HHCL didn’t hot desk) Do I rule or what?? 🙂

Comment by Charles Frith

So are you saying that the “back office boys”, the workers of spread sheets neither have the right to be involved, inspired nor should they have the right to experience and be involved in change?

Are you seriously suggesting that someone (and you should be really REALLY careful here) who spends their whole day working with Excel is incapable of creativity? That these people have know experience of anything else? That they shouldn’t touch the holy grail – your creative idea.

I’ve said it once on this blog and I’ll say again. I don’t think agencies should be talking to marketing directors. I think they not only talking too but INVOLVED in R&D – an area which is geeky, techi, Excel ridden and often cubicle based.

I really like you Charles – but I’m up for this one (which is actually a show of affection).

Comment by Marcus

Oh Christ. I can feel the earth shaking shaking. Marcus is giong to be angry.
I’ve got to agree with order – but there’s a difference between organisation and soul crushing monotony. If I spend 8 hours a day (if I’m lucky) in an office I expect it to be pleasant.
I’m lucky to be able to work from home a little – is my working environemnt like the average office? Thought not.
By the way, my working environment would be improved by some sort of consenus on air conditioning. Some people seem to think it’s healthy to wear t-shirts all year round. Jumpers in winter I say!
Also, open plan is okay for atmosphere, crap if you want to concentrate. We keep a quiet room for just that. Until people respect that other people don’t give a monkeys about their kids’ measles or what they had for teas last night, it’s essential.

Comment by NP

Charles – you are bastard. And that’s so not fair because you knew that your last comment was going to make me REALLY REALLY angry.

But I’m going to get some lunch now. When I return I’m going to kick your digital arse all over this blog.


Comment by Marcus

Well when you get back from the canteen Marcus, assuming asparagus season is kicking off in Germany right now so maybe the urinals are smelling a bit funny, and you’ve settled into your play pen I’m expecting nothing but the finest attempt to deny the feelings and thoughts of those people who I’ve TALKED to in focus groups and depth interviews, and who think that anything other than a cubicle is organisational anarchy. I’m telling you Herr Heidelberg (even though I love you and your inky aroma) that a bean bag and sunnies on in the office isn’t for everyone.

so Leck mich am arsch mein freund 🙂

Comment by Charles Frith

I’m eating a sausage (Bratwurst) not asparagus. You may have TALKED to those people sun shine, but I AM one of those people.

I shall return. After I’ve eaten my pudding.

du kannst mich mal! 🙁

Comment by Marcus

I love my blog!

I have my view on what is being said – but why ruin the potential of watching a GOOD NATURED ‘discussion’ develop.

No biting, scratching, thumping or personal insulting … now go, go, go …

Comment by Rob

Yes, Nice one NP. Jumpers in Winter and less of that air con on full blast. I’ve seen Asians in some countries, wearing COATS in the office even though it’s 30 degrees outside. The bloody planet is overheating and excessive air conditioning really really annoys me. It’s bloody inconsiderate to the environment.

Comment by Charles Frith

Charles – those people you talked too… did you find out how effective they were being?

Comment by Marcus

[I should point out bean bags and sunnies was/is not what I had in mind]

Comment by Marcus

im going to break the habit of a fucking lifetime and write something sensible on this bloody blog.
this post is about working environments, not working practices so i agree with chaz that is is pointless making all offices inspiring and creative because if youre not being paid to produce quantifiable inspiring and creative output for people, its a fucking expensive and pointless thing to do.
however that doesnt mean people outside of the core creative development area should be treated like a sack of shit.
as marcus says, creativity isnt just about using a pen, paper or mac, its about how you think and do stuff, which is why all departments should have a decent working environment rather than the most cost effective, bland 4 walls the company can get away with.
its not about water slides and padded walls, but an environment that you like to be seen in and work at. this helps the poor fuckers feel better about slaving 12 hours a day for a shite wage, feel excited and proud of where they are at, creates a better atmosphere that infiltrates the whole place and if youre lucky, leads to better results, regardless of what job they do.
now stop acting like tits and let me go back to bed.

Comment by andy@cynic

Congratulations Andy, that was indeed sensible. It might not be quite right, but it is sensible. The thing that doesn’t quite make much sense is when you say you are going back to bed. We have a plane to catch in 3 hours, you better be on it.

Comment by George

fucker 🙂

Comment by andy@cynic

So did you pull your pudding towards you, or away, or back and forth in the canteen over lunch Marcus (snigger chuckle chortle).

Let’s not mess around with those arbitrary opinions on this one. I’ve pulled two puddings. I mean surveys off the net that TOTALLY contradict each other. This is exactly why I think so much quant research blows chunks. Two surveys COMPLETELY different conclusions. Who is right? Well I’ve dug around a little more and I’m not saying quite yet, because I want to see Marcus walk into my fiendish trap that I’ve set up for him before I pull out my digital pliers and get all ‘medieval on his ass’. So here goes.

A recent study conducted by Bosti Associates, a workplace analysis firm based in Buffalo, N.Y., suggests that despite all the drawbacks, people prefer cubicles to open space. The company surveyed 13,000 workers at Fortune 500 companies and found the most important issue for them was acoustic privacy. “In the modern office there’s so much noise, what with speaker phones, desktop video and voice-activated computing,” explains John Olson, president of Bosti Associates. “Enclosure seems to be the only way to avoid all that.”

Then this little gem.

Only 7 percent of workers say they prefer cubicles to any other type of work environment, according to a recent study by Steelcase Inc.

So Marcus, put that bratwurst down, wipe the semf off ya chops and spread the love around. Which one is right?… Ha ha…

Comment by Charles Frith

I need to lay down. This is all too much.

Comment by NP

ooh, i’m going to get my filthy conceptual hands on this one too.. but it’s 1:30am and i really need to get to bed.

Comment by lauren

I’m drunk now and can’t be arsed anymore.

Comment by Marcus Brown

I am abandoning my discretion and commenting on this.

I think there are two main things being said here:
* People need good working environments in order to be inspired and productive
* That an environment is ‘good’ only if it is ‘creative’

First off, I don’t agree that if one isn’t directly in marketing/ advertising it isn’t a ‘creative’ job. What we do is nothing compared to the ‘creative’ things some accountants do (just ask the SEC) – creativity is an approach rather than an end product.

But I do agree to the point that work environments in no way directly contribute to the quality/ productivity at work. There are many examples in the corporate world that would show this (Traders for one, who have nothing but space for a screen and a wrist on their tables, the ones at Enron actually came up with a way to trade something as intangible as Energy!) But I am going to go with another example that produces almost all of people who go on to ‘create’ – The Classroom.

I don’t know about you guys, but all the classrooms I have ever seen are the same old drab shit place – rows of desk with monotonous walls and the exact same tables, a blackboard along one wall…. you get the picture. Yet there seems to be no dearth of ‘creativity’ emerging from the young people in schools and colleges.

Of course they do their own little thing to make the place feel alive, from graffiti on desks to charts on the walls, but this is exactly what happens even in these ‘boring’ office, people make attempts to ‘own’ the space and to me that is the first step to them being ‘creative’ as opposed to being a cry for help to make all spaces like that.

I am going to end with a metaphor, think of the drab office as a blank canvas on which each employee can make his own little impression, obviously the creativity is going to be more stifled if this was instead a canvas already painted with colours (the boss’ favourites of course)

And lastly I think Rob, you know of a little place out in Asia where at least 3 creative people don’t let a drab office kill them or their work (there, I have now officially committed harakiri)

Comment by Hari

Good points Hari. Creativity comes in many shapes and forms but it’s an unavoidable truth that people who perform routine tasks otherwise known as ‘the scientific method’ are not required to be creative. Concentration at first and then swiftness later. Furthermore many of those people view the creative process with horror. It’s simply blind to look at the world through the lens of adland. You also mention inspiration as if that too is the holy grail. I’d argue that most people are inspired a handful of times in their lives and that’s a good thing because people like myself who are inspired every 10 minutes can barely get anything actually done. Head in the clouds etc etc.

No, my original comment is made out of respect for the countless hundreds of millions who work in cubicles, get stuff done, pay the mortgage, feed the kids and hold the whole show together. The advertising business likes to talk the talk of delighting and inspiring customers with big wows but most money still goes (but not for much longer) into interrupting their entertainment and forcing some commercials on them. If you were inspired in the last commercial break then I guess that’s a lucky break (pun intended) but if more than one communications agency managed to inspire you, I’d say you were fibbing. The same applies to work environments. Be it cubicles vs open space or creative vs pragmatic. It’s a complex subject on the optimum environment for working and I advocate giving the best you get, but it’s not my tab.

What I think is best and what some people who actually get on with stuff in life think is best, are very often completely different. Inspiration is not something from a vending machine, it’s a an experience and an admirable goal. Engagement? Well that’s a different kettle of fish.

Now then, this doesn’t mean I have the same views for education. I’m sure you tipped me off on this Sir Ken Robinson TED talk but if not. It’s where I’m at with regard to childrens learning environment.

But children aren’t there to produce so it’s a completely different issue.

Anyway it’s a new day tomorrow so I wont be looking to wind up Marcus, but if we’re all lucky we might just have a proper expert on this subject drop by.

Comment by Charles Frith

I never thought I’d say this … but Andy seems to have hit the nail on the head even though in some way, he is sitting on the fence between Charles [or Chaz as he decided to call him] and Marcus.

Hahahahaha, Andy sitting on the fence – that’s funny both from a metaphorical point of view and a practical one!

Comment by Rob

OK, i’ve had my cup of tea. here’s my two cents:
i think developing a working environment is exactly like developing a brand/product – you have to respond to the needs of the people actually using it. if you aren’t creating an environment which is conducive and responsive to the kind of thinking/behaviour which is happening in that place, you’re losing half of your resources through staff being distracted/uncomfortable.

and despite this not being about business practice, people who have good/ethical business practice, will usually have a pretty good working environment because they have respect for the people who contribute to their product/service.

Comment by lauren

Lauren … I’ll be writing about good business practice shortly and how employee value has to be demonstrated by a company, not just talked about.

I am immensley proud that cynic puts huge emphasis on making sure our people feel valued and challenged at the same time.

We have a whole host of things from offering 9 months fully paid maternity leave [mainly because we don’t think its right a woman should be penalised for bringing some happiness into the World … though I do have to say this offer is only available if its your first child, we’re a small company afterall, ha] right through to monthly “EAT YOUR WORDS” talks where we bring a pot pouri of people into the agency for lunch and to talk to them about their lives, goals, dreams and jobs.

We’ve had all sorts from architects of airports, to fashion desingers, to political analysts, to toy creaters, to homeless people, to Iraqi citizens, to drug addicts – the widest range of the weird and the wonderful … all because we believe it helps our guys have a greater appreciation of what is going on around them as well as hopefully inspire them to find different ways to approach tasks.

I know this sounds very arrogant, but I don’t care – this is how all companies should treat their staff rather than give them a number, a phone, a cubicle, a computer and a 5 minute toilet break.

A company can’t say it has principals and values until it costs them something – and in my mind, not enough companies are paying out!

Ooooh, I’m getting fired up for this post – but it’ll have to wait till I’m back! [I can write this without my nuts being cut off as we have not officially left for our holiday yet! Ha]

Comment by Rob

pot pourri?

Comment by lauren

Typical … fixate on a couple of words, take the piss out of them and ignore/miss the passionate message I am trying to convey. Hahaha!

Comment by Rob

considering the company I am working at… this post and the comments have been VERY VERY poignant.

Comment by Age

hey! i heard the very important message, agree entirely and give you kudos, but c’mon i couldn’t let that pass…

Comment by lauren

That’s why we love you Lauren – though I am somewhat scared how you will survive a few days in Dubai, ha!

Comment by Rob

i’ll be good there, i promise. i’ll be with naughty girls who are very good at appearing like angels and i’m a quick learner 🙂

Comment by lauren


Comment by Rob

ROB!!! ick – i didn’t mean it like that!! sheesh – what are you, my pimp??!!

Comment by lauren

That depends on your earning capacity … ha!

Comment by Rob

andy, is that you hacking into rob’s blog again?!

Comment by lauren

HOLY MOLY … I’ve been possessed by the spirit of Andy. Except he’s not dead. He’s a wizzard – which at least goes to explain how he has managed to ‘live the dream’ despite all his ‘issues’, ha!

[Thank God he is away again or I would be dead]

Comment by Rob

Very interesting convo happening here. I agree with the view point that no matter how an office is set up – creative – bland etc, it is all about respect. Respect for your staff. It doesn’t matter if you have someone writing & spouting a heap of rubbish about your; vision & mission, passion & about how your staff are your key asset – if you don’t give them a good space to work in with the tools they need it is all pointless.

I have worked in diff environments including a great creatively designed ad agency, and a government department cubical both in Aus. I worked effectively in both places. Sure the cubical wasn’t that creative. But it was set up with consideration and respect, and the head of my department sat opposite me. I didn’t feel like a drone, I felt like an important contributor to the team.

Where I work now, I waited 5 months for a phone. I begged one of our wonderful office men (yes here they are referred to as ‘office boys’, even though they are grown men who do a great job) for a set of draws. This to me says it is not all about the staff and contradicts the messages we are sending out across our network.

I used to run a few teams through NSW & ACT in Aus & we had virtually zero budget, but still managed to create spaces suitable for the type of work we were doing. Spaces that our staff felt comfortable to use & that were set up with their needs in mind. So I feel it isn’t always just about spending lots of cash, but about consideration for your staff.

Comment by Jade

Hey Lauren – I’ll send you an email, it would be great to catch up. I think I’ll be round next week.

Top Dubai tip – Now this may be just a rumor, but giving someone the middle finger is considered to be the same as defamation. For a resident you can get jail time & be deported. For a visitor I think you get jail time, then the next flight out. As everyone beeps at you and zebra crossings mean little more than – ‘this-place-is-slightly-safer-than-some-other-place-to-cross-the-rd’, it is quiet tempting to use your middle finger!

Comment by Jade

oh my… from what I know of Lauren she’s gonna be up for an interesting visit!!!


Comment by Age

Love your comments Jade – very true – and one thing we also have to remember is that as much as a company has masses of responsibility, it’s also about the employee attitude – which is why you were able to be effective despite having a less-than-salubrious physical environment.

It’s a 2-way street and I think we sometimes just bung all the blame and responsibility on the employer rather than take some ourselves. Mind you, Mind you, I only really understood this issue once I was the one having to pay the cheques, ha!

Lauren … get the phone number of the Aussie Embassey PRIOR to leaving please. I have a feeling you may need it. Ha.

Comment by Rob

jade, thanks for the tip – i can add that to the other no-nos i’ve got on my list (thanks to my best friend living there).

to rob and age, thank you for your concern about my ability to be culturally sensitive in one outside my comfort zone. i’ll save the middle finger for next time i see you!

Comment by lauren

Mmm, Rob, I agree attitude is everything.

i think if you are unhappy with any aspect of your role it is easy to focus on the negative – i.e. a crappy office. If you feel your role is challenging & rewarding, your surroundings are prob less of an issue. However, if you know that cost is not an issue for resourcing a decent office it can make you feel undervalued.

Comment by Jade

Are you an Aussie by any chance Lauren? Ha!

Comment by Rob

Agree Jade – and I will be talking about this when I get back, but for a ‘taster’ … look at 19 posts above this one. If you can be arsed, ha!

Comment by Rob

Interesting Rob. I had a look at the Cynic site yesterday & was impressed with the whole attitude of the agency. It seems Cynic is one company who believes in knowledge sharing even when it doesn’t necessarily mean instant personal wealth.

Comment by Jade

You mean the cynic site wasn’t banned in Dubai? I don’t know if I’m impressed or upset, ha. At least in China we are – that fact alone drives us to make the company even more successful, ha.

Don’t get me wrong, we want to be as rich as the next Branson … Trump … Packer, we just don’t think money should be the focus of a company because we believe [and can testify] that you get it as a byproduct of creating profitable, exciting and interesting ideas/work for clients.

We are a socialistic wealth organisation – or as Jemma [one of our creatives in NYC said] “Positive Communists”, ha!

We are not the only ones like this … wish we were, we’d make more cash [ha] … there are lots around like this, the interesting thing is that none of them tend to be owned by a multinational company – organisations that talk alot about employee value but seem to demonstrate it very little.

Comment by Rob

Nah, not banned, but might have just slipped through the censors.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money, I’m all for it (& not at all into the alternative – living on a commune perhaps) & believe it can be a great motivator.

But being able to contribute something, no matter how small while continuing to grow/ earn. Individuals or companies can get so much more in return for small investments of time or knowledge.

Comment by Jade

Jesus … another person we will want to / going to hire from this blog!

We’d better win some more business soon!

Comment by Rob

speaking of cynic staff – where the hell have billy/jemma/george/bazza been lately?

Comment by lauren

I am very flattered by the sentiment, but for all you know I could just be an un-passionate, value-less crazy person.

Goodluck with winning Business though!

Comment by Jade

Jade … I think your first ever post on this blog proved that wasn’t the case.

God you’re nosy Lauren.

Because I am scared of you, I’ll tell you [well as much as I know]

Andy and George are in Zurich in another meeting with our prospective, super-massive, super secret client [] … Billy and Jemma are in Rio filming some stuff for MTV and Bazza is on a plane to Sweden for an IKEA meeting [and a desperate bid to find a woman].

Is that all OK with you?

Comment by Rob

hmm.. nosy. i don’t like being nosy. i’ll refrain from doing that in future.

Comment by lauren

I am teasing Lauren. Don’t tell me you’ve gone all thin-skinned!

Comment by Rob

I miss you too Lauren.
How come you’re not heading over to see us in the US? We’d take you out and get you slaughtered.
Really nice post by the way Rob.

Comment by Jemma King

Hello Jem …

I am not annoyed that you are checking blogs when you should be filming stuff for one of our dear paying clients … I am annoyed because you never offer to take me out to ‘get slaughtered’ when I’m in the US!

And don’t use the ‘But You Don’t Drink’ excuse [even though it would be a good one]

I will deal with you and Billy later, now go and be bloody great please. 🙂

Comment by Rob

thanks jemma! would love to visit you kids in US, but it’s a little outta my way on this trip. but you never know, down the track…

OK, i’m back to being thick-skinned again, rob- i grew up believing that my enquiring mind was me ‘being nosy’. i still get a little confused about it sometimes.

Comment by lauren

Positive communists. Music to my ears and coming from adland too. I am proud. I mean that.

Comment by Charles Frith

No, it’s even better than that, it’s like when Mannie meets Ellie in Ice Age 2. The last mammoth all lonely and sad until…… you get the picture, and only in a cerebral sense too of course. (cough)

Right I’m going to go away and have a little sniffle now.

Comment by Charles Frith

So Charles, are you saying you my comment has made you feel all warm and gooey inside? I have that effect on most men.

Jemma x

Comment by Jemma King

jemma: the femme fatale of blogland. leading men to their technology doom. fucking wonderful jem.

Comment by andy@cynic

If Jemma is a Femme Fatale, then I want to be Billy big bollocks, scaring people away with a single swing of my big hairy nutsack.

That doesn’t really work does it. Fuck it, women get all the cool shit.

Comment by Billy Whizz

Well that’s a nice image to have of the man I’ve just spent 10 days with. And we say Baz is crap around women. Ladies, we have a new loser. Still love you lots though. Jemma x

Comment by Jemma King

billy, not only does that not work, you are now officially competing with andy for cynic’s creepiest….sorry, but you brought this on yourself.

Comment by lauren

You think comparing me to Andy is an insult?

I regretted the big balls thing when I typed it, but it seems it could be the best words I’ve ever bashed out. Thanks Lauren.

Comment by Billy Whizz

um.. no worries?

Comment by lauren

Just for the record Jemma. Positive communism makes me feel warm inside, as if I’ve eaten a baked potato on a cold day. Unlike that whole I’ve-just-been-roughly-manhandled and now feel ‘warm and gooey’ inside episode that probably never happened anyway 🙂 xx

Comment by charlesfrith

So I make you feel like you’ve eaten carbs do I Charles? Well that’s certainly a new one on me and I’d prided myself on thinking I’d heard them all. 🙂 You are a sweetie. Jemma x

Comment by Jemma King

Maybe lots of sugar then Jemma. Complex carbohydrates of the world unite and so forth 🙂

Comment by charlesfrith

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